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Chatham Library in Pittsboro Celebrates Family History Month with Genealogy Program on October 22

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 16:57

Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:24:08 +0000
From: Debra Henzey
Subject: Chatham Library Celebrates Family History Month with Genealogy Program

Chatham Community Library
197 NC Highway 87 N
Pittsboro, NC 27312
Contact: Dana Haven, (919) 545-8088
October 10, 2014

Chatham Library Celebrates Family History Month with Genealogy Program

PITTSBORO- On Wednesday, Oct. 22, Chatham Community Library in Pittsboro will celebrate Family History Month with a special free program Religion in NC: Documenting Diversity, Enhancing Cultural Memory. The event begins at 6 pm in the Holmes Meeting Room at the library, located on the campus of Central Carolina Community College in Pittsboro.

During the program, Kenneth Woo from Duke University’s Divinity School will present stories from the Religion in North Carolina Digital Collection, a collaborative digitization project led by Duke, UNC, and Wake Forest University. Religion in NC is the only digital collection of its kind, focusing on documents from the history of religion and religious bodies in a specific state.

Come hear examples of the personal and community narratives preserved in the collection, which highlights the diversity of North Carolina’s cultural past and preserves its memory for the benefit of current and future generations. Attendees will also learn how the collection may assist with their own genealogical research.

For more information, or to register for this event, please call 919-545-8086 or email reference@chathamlibraries.org.

In keeping with the NC Public Records Law, e-mails, including attachments, may be released to others upon request for inspection and copying.

Debra Henzey
Chatham County Director of Community Relations
919-542-8258
Cell 919-548-4662

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The state hasn’t used batwing bush hogs (or any rotary bush hogs) to cut the sides of the roads for a long while

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 15:45

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:41:10 -0400
From: J
Subject: Mowing

> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:07:54 -0400
> From: “John R Dykers”
> Subject: Thurman Maness Post about DOT mowing around his driveway
>
> ” I know for a fact, that from my residence, six miles to Pittsboro, no other driveway looks so
> shabby. And I am willing to bet, that no driveway, in the other direction, toward Siler City, has
> ragweed waist high.”
>
>Dear Thurman Maness,
> I make the trip from Siler City to Pittsboro from time to time, and I promise I will check for other
> driveway ragweed et al.
> Having operated a 15 ft bat wing bush hog that I bought second hand from another owner who
> had purchased it from the DOT, I can tell you that it is not nearly as easy to maneuver around a
> fence post or mailbox as your usual lawn mower. It is heavy duty and heavy, and I have
> skinned my own ground many times where it was uneven, maybe like your driveway.
> Maybe the Chatlist can help you find someone nearby who can trim up your driveway weeds
> with the proper equipment.
> John Dykers

As far as I know, the state hasn’t used batwing bush hogs (or any rotary bush hogs) to cut the sides of the roads for a long while. They may still use them to cut long wide medians and easements, but for trimming the road edges around mailboxes, driveways, culverts, street signs and guard rails, they’ve been using hydraulic flail mowers for quite some time.

These mowers are a lot more maneuverable than towing a rotary bush hog. Typically, they have a flail mounted on an outrigger that can be independently lowered and raised to get around objects like mailboxes, street signs and so forth as well as pull a second flail behind on the rear hitch, and some have a third flail mounted on an outrigger on the other side of the tractor as well.

That said, I was feeling froggy and decided to get a jump on the state mowers last month and took my own tractor down the road pulling my little 5ft bush hog and I still ended up miscalculating and knocked my own mailbox down.

But the nice thing about those side mounted flail mowers is that they can mow around objects (just mow right up to the mailbox, lift the mower to the vertical position, drive past the mailbox and lower it again). As to why they would be bypassing Mr Maness’ drive, I could not tell you. They’ve never failed to hit mine, even at times when I wish they wouldn’t have, such as when they mowed over some ripe blackberry bushes on the roadside that I wanted to harvest first.

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Know about a fabulous dessert in Chatham?

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 14:30

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:57:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: William Pate
Subject: Know about a fabulous dessert in Chatham?

Chatham Living magazine is scouring the county to uncover top desserts available to the public. They can be from restaurants, bakeries, ice cream shops or wherever. Just not your grandmother’s banana pudding recipe — as much as we like her and would love to try it — and not some spectacular cake that appears on the menu just once each year. Please send your suggestion to chippate@sanfordherald.com.

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Thank you, Tritech Computers of Siler City

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 14:22

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:53:59 -0400
From: Chuck Daukas
Subject: Thank you, Tritech Computers!

It has been a great pleasure doing business with Tritech computers this past summer.

I tried to start a home business as one of those ‘operators’ who are ‘standing by’ to take orders from commercials. The technical requirements were very specific(!), and my Mac wasn’t going to do the trick. So I consulted with Tritech and they built a computer for the job.

As a Mac user, PC’s are not that familiar, and my primary worry was technical issues with the equipment. I had no trouble setting up the system, and it worked perfectly, the first thing popping up on the screen was Tritech’s number to call for assistance if needed, which was very reassuring (!), although I never needed it for any technical issues.

While I could have made the business work, entering information from phone orders turned out not to be my thing. Tritech was willing to take back the system and offered me a reasonable price. I could not have been happier. All my dealings with Tritech went smoothly and the communication was that of the old-fashioned, personal-style business that has become rare. I was a valued customer. I’d had dealings with Tritech before, as they handle Macs as well, and the problem was diagnosed right then and there when I brought the computer in. I used to have to drive to Durham to get my Mac serviced.

Siler City and Chatham County certainly are blessed to have such an operation in its midst. Thanks, Tritech!

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Renewable Energy’s Bright Future in NC, Sustainable Speaker Series at Chatham Library in Pittsboro on Oct 15

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 13:13

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:27:46 -0400
From: Laura Lauffer
Subject: Renewable Energy’s Bright Future in NC, Sustainable Speaker Series at Chatham Library, Oct 15, 2014 7pm

Ivan Urlaub will be Sustainable Speaker Series speaker

10.07.2014
• Admin,
Faculty & Staff • College
& Community • College
General • Special Events
• Students/Graduates

PITTSBORO – Ivan Urlaub, executive director of the N.C. Sustainable Energy Association, will be guest speaker for the Sustainable Speaker Series at Central Carolina Community College’s Chatham County campus The program begins at 7 p.m. Oct. 15th at the Holmes Meeting Room of the Chatham Library on the CCCC Chatham campus.

CCCC is a member of the NC Sustainable Energy Association. The NCSEA envisions a future where North Carolina’s clean energy economy leads the nation and serves as a model for other states.

The goal of the NCSEA is to cultivate a robust clean energy ecosystem that unifies and benefits all of its stakeholders: consumers, businesses, the clean energy industry and utility energy providers.

Urlaub has become a nationally recognized thought and implementation leader in integrating and evolving clean energy policy and market development, providing strategic advisement to organizations, industry and public and non-profit entities in more than 25 states. In addition, Urlaub is founder and board secretary of the N.C. Clean Energy Business Alliance.

Urlaub will provide an update on the positive growth of the renewable energy sector in North Carolina and the possibilities for expansion in the decades ahead.

In its third year, the Sustainable Speaker Series brings local and regional thought leaders to expand sustainability issues beyond the classroom. The Sustainability Technologies staff, and student group, Students for Sustainability, created the speaker series.

The Sustainable Speaker Series will continue on Nov. 19th with Isaiah Allen, Executive Chef at The Eddy Pub and Founder, Farmer at Rocky Run Farm..

For more information on CCCC’s sustainability programs, visitwww.cccc.edu, call Laura Lauffer at 919-545-8032 or emailllauffer@cccc.edu.

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Chatham liberals seem to feel that their vision is the right one for everyone

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 12:13

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:23:10 -0400
From: “connectnc.net”
Subject: My response to Virginia P

I read the last post from Virginia Penly and I did some research . I’m putting a VP in front of excerpts I used from her post for clarity , everything else is my response noted by a ( GM ) for Goodnite Mark

VP (*Limited government is their code for stripping America for parts.-Tom Sullivan, Asheville Citizen Times, 8/24/14* )

( GM) Tom Sullivan is a consulting engineer who blogs at Scrutiny Hooligans. He has contributed to Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, and Hullabaloo. He is first vice chair of the Buncombe County Democratic Party. He is a professional mudslinger and propaganda fact twisting strong man for western North Carolina Democrats . He is considered by many to be in with the conspiracy theory crowd and socialist liberals who want government control over almost everything . My thoughts are what kind of Chathamite would subscribe to a newspaper on the other side of the state and try to use one of its posts here in Chatham County as relevant information to Chatham County ? What does that political machine have to do with us ?

VP ( Telling the citizens that we produce government that is streamlined and efficient with little or no regulation does not speak to the qualitative aspect of governance nor its moral imperative.)

( GM) Moral imperative ? We have had democrats indicted in this county and on a national level democrats literally caught with their pants down with some intern on their knees doing services not mandated in their job description ,, and you talk about morals ?

( VP ) My point is simply that we need elected commissioners in Chatham County who will commit to a vision that has a moral center with values that will benefit the working class, the middle class, students, young people, retirees and professionals.

Jim Crawford, Diana Hales and Karen Howard will commit to investing every year in Goldston, Pittsboro and Siler City, working on strategies to avoid the land use conflicts that we are witnessing around Goldston and the Goat House Refuge, investing more capital in Economic Development, our tourism industry, pedestrian, cycling and transit as well as arts, culture and our beautiful environment and countryside.

( GM ) In other words the democrats vision is to re-examine the prospect of more rules and regulations telling us what we can and cant do with our property . This will increase taxes and add more fees for more regulations .. They want to use more of MY and YOUR TAX MONEY for things like walking trails , bike paths , and converting our towns into mini Hippy Hill clones even thought most of us don’t want that to happen period . We will go back to having someone on a county level telling us we have to many cars in our yards , a beautification ordinance so we cant build certain style homes in certain places , and or regulations about water and land use that will effect just about every farmer in the county . We have been there done that and voted that bunch out !

( VP ) They will protect the air we breathe and water we drink so we can experience sustained prosperity in our county without despoiling our environment.

In addition they want our schools and community to compete to be among the best and they understand the value of investing in our people.

( GM ) Really , does she not know we already have some of the best schools for a county in the state and that our current commissioners have already found funds to help our schools where the state had to cut funds to balance the budget democrats spent to the hilt ? I didn’t know that Chatham County commissioners had to do the job of the EPA either ,, separate the two and let them do their respective jobs please .

( VP ) We need leaders who will not equivocate about our hispanic community or the contentious issue of hydraulic fracturing or fracking .

Howard, Hales and Crawford oppose fracking and will fight for our county, while the GOP has clearly pursued the agenda of forcing this industry upon Chatham and Lee county.

( GM ) DUH !! Our current commissioners are looking at possible zoning and other options to make it very difficult to fracture in Chatham . Not one democrat or republican in this county wants fracking . As far as the Hispanic community goes we need to pass a regulation that they must speak fluent English before holding a job in Chatham period . This is the USA and our official language is English not spanglish , not meximerican , not any other dialect than plain clearly spoken English . I’m not racist so don’t even go there as I have friends who legally immigrated to the USA and took time to not only learn our language correctly but to actually get a drivers license and have valid insurance . I’m sick of going to a fast food joint and trying to speak a foreign language just to get a cheeseburger ! As far as forcing industry on Chatham I remember what democrats did the last time with all their beatification ordinances and regulations , they ran off business that employed chathamites . Tourism , arts and bike trails wont create jobs to employ enough of the unemployed in this county . We need real jobs , good paying skilled jobs so people don’t have to work three or four unskilled minimum wage jobs just to buy food and keep their homes warm and clothes on their kids .

( VP ) In conclusion, for commissioners who will invest heavily in a great education system, dynamic and vital downtown districts, arts, culture, travel, tourism, recreation, training, transit and the Economic Development while opposing fracking vote for Howard, Hales and Crawford.

Virginia Penley

( GM ) The whole Chatham democratic party platform is based on three things . Firstly fooling the voters with fancy words and speeches into thinking that their candidates will create a big positive CHANGE .( We all see how well that worked last time ). Secondly making any local GOP candidate look bad by GOP top party mistakes and inaction . Lastly they seam to feel that their vision is the right one for everyone period and that’s dangerous . Marxist and socialist liberal extreme left all feel big government is the answer and buying votes with offers of free stuff at the expense of all is the answer to utopia . They talk about redistributing the wealth and a mandatory raise in minimum wage and all that does is make everyone poorer and less likely to actually get ahead in life . You get ahead by hard work , real jobs and conservative use of your resources not by letting everyone else pull you along because you feel entitled to a free ride . Minimum wage equals minimal skills , minimal education and minimal effort . Yes it hard work and to get past minimal wage you have to become educated or skilled in a certain field . Its not economically feasible to pay $15 an hour to flip hamburgers, pour coffee or stack boxes and fill up shelves in an art store . We need real jobs that pay good wages in this county . I’m sorry Virginia there is no Santa Claus and no utopia unless you build it yourself with hard work and real jobs that pay more than a coffee shop or art store . My point of view is from being a former conservative democrat. I can say I have seen the light and the lies of the current democratic party .. Its all smoke an mirrors to paint a picture of utopia at our expense and I’m done with it . I’m an independent thinker now and I feel everyone else should be too . Don’t follow a specific party blindly , vote for what you want from the one candidate who reflects your personal point of view . I’m not attacking all democrats nor supporting all republicans . I’m going to vote for what I feel is right for me and that is for the current commissioners to continue to create new jobs and opportunities in this county . Goodnite Mark

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In-home Caregiver Respite Available through Chatham Council on Aging’s Family Caregiver Support Program

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 11:58

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:47:19 -0400
From: Brett Moraes
Subject: In-home Caregiver Respite Available through Council on Aging’s Family Caregiver Support Program

The Chatham County Council on Aging’s Family Caregiver Support Program is dedicated to assisting Chatham’s caregivers. We have a number of programs that can help. They include:

*In Home Caregiver Respite*
For 24 hour caregivers, just leaving the house or doing something for themselves can be a daunting task. What the respite program does is give those caregivers a chance to go ahead and take that break to take time for themselves, therefore they are better able to take care of their loved one(s). We contract with a local, bonded home health agency to provide experienced aides to give weekly relief. This is a donation-based program, so there is no cost to the program and is available to most all Chatham clients. We have room in the program and are taking new clients right now!

*Caregiver Support Group*
The Chatham county caregiver support group meets the third Monday of every month at the senior center in Pittsboro. Meeting starts at 6:00pm. To find out upcoming topics of discussion, getting on the mailing list for future meeting notices or for more information, please call the number below.

*Caregiver Education*
*Powerful Tools for Caregivers* is a 6 week course designed to arm you with the “tools” to better take care of yourself, effectively communicate with others, and learn of national and local resources. The next course starts in October and is being held in Siler City. For more information, or to sign up for this free course, please contact below.

*Medical Equipment for Loan*
The Council on Aging receives all kinds of donations of medical assitive devices: wheelchairs, shower seats, walkers, commodes, canes-you name it! We also have electric wheelchairs and hospital beds from time to time. We loan these items out to anyone who needs them at no cost for as long as they are needed. There are no income, residency, or age threshold of any kind. If you have an assitive or medical device you would like to donate to the COA, we would be more than happy to provide you with a letter for tax purposes.

Again, all programs are donation based-you are free to contribute towards the cost of the program, but are not required to. Contributions do not determine position on wait lists or participation in the program. If you have any interest in one or more of the programs listed above, please do not hesitate to contact me. My contact information:

Brett Moraes
919.542.4512
brett.moraes@chathamcoa.org

Brett Moraes
Community Care & Support Manager
Chatham County Council on Aging
919/542-4512
brett.moraes@chathamcouncilonaging.org
www.chathamcouncilonaging.org

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Hobbs Architects won a 2014 AIA North Carolina Design Award for their work on the historic Chatham courthouse

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 11:02

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 18:51:11 -0400
From: allen baddour
Subject: award for historic courthouse

Hobbs Architects won a 2014 AIA North Carolina Design Award for their work on the historic courthouse, and I also thought I’d share this link discussing the project. Very cool.

http://www.aiancawards.org/reconstruction-of-the-chatham-county-courthouse/

Best,

Judge Allen Baddour
judgebaddour@gmail.com
Chatham County Justice Center
PO Box 609
40 E. Chatham Street
Pittsboro, NC 27312
(919) 545.3516
(919) 545.3583 (direct)

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D.O.T’s Shabby Highway 64 Mowing

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 10:56

Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:36:53 -0400
From: Thurman Maness
Subject: D.O.T’s Shabby Highway Mowing . .

I watched hyway 64 being built. Five nerve jangling years of digging, pushing, pulling, honking, burning, leveling, measuring and messing about. All for the perfect hyway . Natural hills and slopes were cut away and replaced with ‘more perfect’ man made piles of dirt. Man made hills and slopes that would accommodate modern machinery and the overflow of rain water. The new highway also gave this area something along the roadside, from imported dirt, we never had before on the shoulders of the road- Fire ants, thistle and jimpson weed.

Last year, the three or four mowers completely missed my driveway. Leaving the weeds to grow and grow. A volunteer Popular tree in the ditch tree now reaches six feet or more before I have to cut it myself, so I can see to pull my car onto the highway. And the few times the mowers have cut the grass along my dirt driveway, the machines have dug into the soil and made a mess of it. When they sometimes mow around the mailbox, they hit it and it now will not stand up straight.

I watched last week as the mowers, at least two of them, deliberately skipped my driveway, leaving ragweed waist high and the area, including the mailbox, looking overgrown. It is difficult to get out of my car while in the driveway, because of the tall weeds. I have complained before, to no avail. I know for a fact, that from my residence, six miles to Pittsboro, no other driveway looks so shabby. And I am willing to bet, that no driveway, in the other direction, toward Siler City, has ragweed waist high.

The one consolation is, that it will become so overgrown that Duke Power will mistake the weeds for trees interfering with their power lines, they will swoop down again and level anything and everything in sight.

thurman maness hyway 64

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Really? You never got anything from the government?

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:21

Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 10:59:58 -0400
From: Tarus BALOG
Subject: Re: Democrat activists on this Chatlist

On 09/02/2014 07:28 AM, Chatham Chatlist wrote:

> From: Taylor Kish
> Subject: Democrat activists on this Chatlist

> I NEVER got anything from the government but fees and taxes I had to
> pay. EVERYTHING I have I worked for.

Really? You never got anything from the government?

Where do you get your electricity? I can’t think of a way you could have posted your little rant without electricity, but that is a market that was created by and is maintained by the government. I’m not saying that the government invented modern power distribution, but the fact that almost everyone has access to it at set rates and common voltages and frequencies is due to government regulation.

Do you own a car? If you do, you got something from the government. The government makes sure they are safe to operate and they provide the roads on which you use them. They provide standards for fuel that make it possible to travel great distances.

How did you learn to write English? Were you home schooled? If so, where did your parents learn? My guess is that some point in time in your family’s history someone went to a public school. Who gave you that opportunity? The government.

Finally, are you beaten a robbed every day? If not, you can thank the government. We have created a society that includes police men and women who keep the country from falling into anarchy. In fact, the money that someone would take from you in a robbery is another government product.

For the record, I am an unaffiliated voter. There are things I like about both major parties but there are a lot of things I dislike about them – mainly this “us versus them” partisan bickering which is doing nothing but hurting this country. You seem to think the Republicans have all the answers, and you perpetuate the myth that Republicans are more fiscally responsible, but the fact is that there is strong evidence that shows the government spends a lot more with Republican presidents than with Democratic ones:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-spending-binge-never-happened-2012-05-22

Also, for the record, the only political party I’ve ever belonged to was the Republican party, but I left when they starting policing my morals, dictating to me how I should behave, and spending money like sailors on shore leave.

Trust me, I believe in hard work and at the moment neither political party looks out for my interests. My business is not “too big to fail”.

You also seem to have a thing against immigration. I interact a lot with the Latino community in Chatham County and I find almost all of them to be a lot more hard working than the average native born. My grandfather immigrated to this country to work in the coal mines of Pennsylvania and he died of black lung before I was born, but that was the start our family needed to allow me to sit here and write this today.

Our country is hurting and we need to somehow heal this “us versus them” wound that comments like yours just perpetuate. We need to get back to the point when compromise didn’t mean defeat. We need to reward hard work as well as create opportunities for meaningful work for those who don’t have it.

People who promote these values get my vote – and I could care less about what party they belong to.

-T

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Disenfranchisement versus Learning and Flying the Flag

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:10

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 08:56:31 -0400
From: Robert Waldrop
Subject: Disenfranchisement versus Learning and Flying the Flag

Hi Linda,

Interestingly, it was Labor Day but they were working ! How ironic. By choice to some extent I agree, but who knows how the employees are scheduled. I would have loved to have heard the conversation to get all the nuance I expect your email leaves out. From both sides.

McDonalds gets those that can’t find work elsewhere. It would be the last place on my list to go to work (but I would if I had to). Might you also assume that these people are in the process of learning ? I have been in the process of learning Spanish for 15 years and still stink at it but I plod along. At an advanced age, it is not easy to do.

Think beyond the present while remembering the past.

Robert Waldrop
Native North Carolinian and 30 year Chatham Resident (and descendant of the Bacot family of French Hugonauts).

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Should the opportunity to secure an auto manufacturer in NC arise, NC Commerce Dept will co-ordinate such an effort

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:52

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:24:59 -0400
From: lrbco
Subject: Re: Chatham Chatlist #5080

from muddylaces:

“…location of an auto manufacturing plant in Chatham is a bunch of hot air at this point” -Another democrat poster

Siler City and western Chatham voters. Remember this statement when you vote. You’ve got three commissioners who are working for you. Is the certified megasite a done deal? Of course not.

Labeling me as a “democrat poster” in what way negates the point I was making??? This is the way partisan ideologues respond; not to the ideas or facts presented, but with a pigeonhole, as if that will change what I said in some meaningful way. It doesn’t. Muddylaces has been saying that west Chatham is on the verge of landing an auto manufacturing plant, if ONLY the Republican commissioners are reelected; that major automakers will not work with any of the democrats currently serving or running for election. And I am saying this is nonsense. A financial decision of this magnitude is NOT made at the commission level. Is NOT made because of the political affiliation of the commissioners. The assertion is factually bogus. Should the opportunity to secure an auto manufacturer in NC arise, NC Commerce Dept will co-ordinate such an effort, and you can rest assured that whomever is elected this fall will be working hard to make it happen. An so will those in Alamance and Mecklenburg counties which also have megasites assembled.

Good day. John Delafield

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Increasing taxes decreases economic activity and decreases tax revenue

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:50

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:10:43 -0400
From: “John R Dykers”
Subject: Laffer Curve

I left out an important influence on the Laffer Curve point at which increasing taxes decreases economic activity and decreases tax revenue OR at which decreasing taxes increases economic activity and increases revenue. That other variable is the underlying level of economic activity that exists independent of taxation. So that point on the curve changes with such things as monetary policy and fiscal policy and existential events in the world economy like ISIS and Ebola, etc. But there is a point at which taxation effects economic activity and tax revenue, rate vs revenue in either direction.

John Dykers

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How Chatham County will move forward

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:36

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:18:56 -0700
From: will freedom
Subject: How Chatham Co will move forward.

I do not think it is reasonable for folks to post that one side or the other is for or against the megasite in Western Chatham. It appears to me that if the State were to bring a large automotive manufacturer to our area the elected officials would work with them regardless of who is in office.

The bigger questions revolve around governing philosophy and quality of life. If we build a community that invests in our people and our infrastructure and our environment we will have no problem competing with other counties and regions.

However, if we are perceived as mean spirited, lack critical infrastructure, fail to invest in our educational system and allow our environment, especially water, to become despoiled—we will not attract 21st century manufacturing operations.

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Virginia Penley has no personal issues with current Chatham County elected officials

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:55

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:02:09 -0400
From: virginia penley
Subject: A good trade

As I have written in the past, I have lived here for over 42 years, raised my daughter in Chatham County and my deceased husband had deep roots in Madison County and Buncombe County.

I am a property owner and like most other property owners, I want clean and transparent government led by officials who are good fiscal stewards of our resources who also exhibit fortitude and vision.

I have no personal issue with our current elected officials, other than I believe that replacing Brian Bock and Pam Stewart with Jim Crawford and Diana Hales is a good trade for the people of Chatham County and our region.

(Neither Karen Howard nor Walter Petty have opposition. Ms. Howard will replace Jim Elza who was the pick to fill in for former county chairwoman, Sally Kost.)

From what I understand, Jim Crawford grew up on a farm in central Pennsylvania in a large family, he was the President of his high school class, graduated from Penn State and received his masters and doctorate degrees from UNC-Chapel Hill. Jim is a good carpenter, who understands the value of hard work, craftsmanship and pride in a job well done. He is also a historian, a member of the County Planning Board and an educator, who will push to make good decisions in our county for education and planning. He has a child at Northwood High School and his wife is an accomplished
executive in her own right at Lenovo. Jim has the time and desire to listen to the people and serve our county.

Diana Hales is a studious, hard working and thorough person, who worked in mapping at DENR. She is a hard worker and I believe she may have a better attendance record over the past 3 a 1/2 years at county BOC meetings than either Mr. Bock or Ms. Stewart. Diana is willing to make tough decisions, understands the serious effects of fracking and opposes its approval in NC. She will also work diligently to bring investment to Siler City, Goldston and Pittsboro and will be a strong advocate for clean and safe drinking water. Diana is married and cares greatly about the Rocky River and improving financial prospects for Chatham County and more particularly Western Chatham.

Bock and Stewart for Crawford and Hales sounds like a good move for the voters of Chatham County and a trade we should all endorse.

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Funding the rape crises center IS worthy of our support

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:43

Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:44:18 -0400
From: lrbco
Subject: Re: Commissioners Race

Election time it is! Talk abounds of Laffer curves actually working and nefarious left wing scoundrels.

Couple of points: location of an auto manufacturing plant in Chatham is a bunch of hot air at this point and is NOT going to be decided by the political stripe of the County Commissioners. NC tried hard to get both Mercedes and Volkswagon to locate here. Mega sites awaited both. Neither did. Not enough $ offered to lure them in. Pure and simple. Had zero to do with the political party at the commission level. Those suggesting otherwise reimagine history. I am confident that whomever is elected will work diligently to bring auto manufacturing jobs to western Chatham, should that opportunity ever arise.

At a recent candidate’s forum, Commissioner Bock applaud his decision to extend funding to the rape crises shelter as a worthy solution to Chatham’s homeless and affordable housing problem(s). While I agree with Mr Bock that funding the rape crises center IS worthy of our support, it was a violation in letter and spirit of the intent of the Funding in lieu of that the county received from Briar Chapel. Indeed, Mr Bock himself was unsure enough of what he had just done that he asked the county attny if what the commission had just passed was legal, vis a vis the contract with Briar Chapel, and the attny informed him that if it wasn’t, the commissioners could rearrange the wording to make it so!

The point is that the rape crises center should be funded out of recurring revenues, and Commissioner Bock should be answering that question, not grabbing a one time pot of money to score a political point, while still leaving the county without any coherent policy for affordable housing. How do I know whereof I speak? I was at that commissioners meeting, with my unrecognized hand in the air holding forth my proposal for affordable housing in Pittsboro, watching and listening to the entire spectacle. And Chairman Petty was satisfied to go along for the ride.

Finally, so where does the $240,000 per classroom go? Great question …. Got my attention! 1) Is that an accurate depiction of the dollars flowing through each Chatham classroom, and 2) is there a simple line item budget available to the voting public that shows where it is spent? (and if not, why not?)

Good day. John Delafield

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Fundraiser for CORA and the Friends of CORA Garden until October 15

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:22

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 19:20:00 -0400
From: Carol Newnam
Subject: Fundraiser for CORA and the Friends of CORA Garden

I hope that you will consider helping us raise funds for our garden and for CORA. We are selling flower bulbs from now until October 15th. All you have to do is click on the link, Campaign | Flower Power Fundraising Website . It will guide you through the process of ordering, paying, and shipping your purchase to your home address. You can even have them shipped to another address if you want to give this as a gift. This will help the garden and CORA with monies that are needed to help many of our families in Chatham county. Thank you!

Carol Newnam
919-929-2076
carol.newnam@gmail.com

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I am Dave Cunningham, new to the Chatham Chatlist and thought I would introduce myself

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 21:17

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:46:26 +0000
From: David Cunningham
Subject: Introduction

Hello Chatham County,

I am Dave Cunningham, new to the chatlist and thought I would introduce myself.

The question that always comes up is whether I am related to Doug Cunningham from Doug’s Auto in Pittsboro but I am not. Originally from Chattanooga TN and have been living in Pittsboro for 11 years. I work as a mechanical engineer in Chapel Hill and hobbies include restoration of a 1930s circular sawmill, woodworking and gardening. My wife and I grow some of the garlic and basil for Bella Donna’s in Pittsboro.

Thanks and look forward to being involved in the chatlist.

Dave Cunningham

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Before you start trying to label me as a crazy liberal, I am not saying that lowing taxes can’t increase revenues

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:03

Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:05:15 -0400
From: Tarus BALOG
Subject: Re: Muddylaces post and the Laffer Curve

On 10/07/2014 08:07 AM, John R Dykers wrote:
> Thank you for introducing the Laffer curve to our political discussion
> in Chatham County. For Chatlisters not familiar with the Laffer curve,
> it is Dr.. Laffer’s research showing how at some point raising taxes
> discourages economic activity and begins to decrease tax revenue.
> Conversely lowering tax rates increases economic activity and increases
> tax revenue.

This isn’t exactly accurate. The Laffer Curve postulates that with a 0% tax rate there will be zero tax revenue, obvious, and at a 100% tax rate there would also be zero revenue, not as obvious but the idea is that if you worked but had to give all of your money away as tax you wouldn’t do it. This may not be true but let’s assume it is for now.

Since for every tax rate in between some revenue will be generated, the idea is that there is a point where a particular tax rate would result in maximum tax revenues. No one can really agree on the shape of the curve, if it has a single maximum or several local maxima, but most of the studies done calculate that tax revenue is maximized at a rate of about 70% and suggest that the curve is roughly bell shaped.

Since the current maximum tax rate is considerably less than 70%, it seems that, based on the Laffer Curve, taxes should be raised to increase revenue. Also, if the Laffer Curve does turn out to be somewhat bell shaped, lowering *or* raising taxes around the maximum will *both* decrease revenue.

You seem to suggest that lowing taxes increases revenue, which really isn’t supported by the Laffer Curve unless the tax rate is already above the maximum, which currently isn’t the case – not by a long shot.

Note that, before you start trying to label me as a crazy liberal, I am not saying that lowing taxes can’t increase revenues. All I am stating is that the Laffer Curve doesn’t support that for our current system.

-T

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You are Invited to the Ribbon Cutting and Product Preview at Doodlebugs in Pittsboro on October 10

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 09:08

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:14:02 -0400
From: “Cindy Poindexter”
Subject: You are Invited – Ribbon Cutting and Product Preview – Doodlebugs 10/24

The public is invited to join us on October 24, 2014 at 11:30a to celebrate the opening of “Doodlebugs, located at 17 Hillsboro Street in Pittsboro. A Ribbon Cutting will take place at 12noon. There will be a product preview and light refreshments after the Ribbon Cutting. The event will end at 1:00p.

Doodlebugs is a natural parenting store and resource center. They offer “green” focused products and workshops to help families incorporate these green products into their everyday lives. They also host meetings, groups and classes to enrich the lives of families.

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