Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:59:38 -0500
From: libbyann capaldi
Subject: Dances of Universal Peace … Wed. March 5th 2014…
DANCES OF UNIVERSAL PEACE
March 5th 2014
7:30 pm – 9:30 pm
Eastern Chatham Senior Center, 367 Hwy 87 N, Pittsboro, NC We invite you to join us Every 1st Wednesday of the Month for the Pittsboro Dances of Universal Peace, at the Eastern Chatham Senior Center starting at 7:30.
*Our theme for March will be ‘Greening With Life’. As the sun returns to the northern hemisphere the Spring Equinox approaches and our days become longer and the temperatures warmer. Not only do we celebrate more sunlight, we also celebrate renewal, rebirth and the greening of the Earth.*
*Throughout England the Morris Dancers strap bells to their shins, sing, shout and clack sticks to mark the change of the seasons and awaken the Spirits of Spring.So come join us for the March Dances of Universal Peace as we dance to awaken the Spirits of Spring that are returning to our land. *
From the beginning of time, sacred movement, song and story have brought people together – at times of seasonal ceremony and celebration, as part of everyday life and life passages, in daily renewal and meditation. The Dances of Universal Peace are part of this timeless tradition of Sacred Dance.
The Dances of Universal Peace and Walking Meditations are spiritual practice in motion. Drawing on the sacred phrases, scripture, and poetry of the many spiritual traditions of the earth, the Dances blend chant, live music and evocative movement into a living experience of unity, peace and integration. This taste of our true nature – as Universal Peace – opens to the possibility of a deep spiritual revolution within the person. Donations accepted.
Many Blessings ALL-Ways…
“Let the Beauty we LOVE
be what we do”
Chatham County Rehabilitation Center of Liberty plans to put Nursing Care facility outside Chatham Park
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:12:17 -0500
From: Pat Lloyd
Subject: That Imaginary Chatham Park Hospital
In a January 29th post, Samantha Capitol told us we should support Chatham Park because it would bring . “A new medical center with a hospital . This enhances our access to health care and also equates to more jobs”.
Now consider the truth. The actual facility would have been a 90 bed Nursing Care and Rehabilitation Center with a special facility for ventilator-dependent patients – not a hospital. Even this modest proposal recently was denied by the by the NC Department of Health and Human Services. Of five health care institutions bidding for the right to build the nursing care center authorized by the 2013 State Medical Facilities Plan - UNC Health Care was turned down – along with four other bidders. The winner was Chatham County Rehabilitation Center of Liberty who plans to put the Nursing Care facility outside Chatham Park. Go on line and check it out: http://www.ncdhhs.gov/.
So – a word to the wise: always look the gift horse in the mouth – especially any gifts from Chatham Park touted by “Samantha Capitol”. This includes all those jobs for Chatham residents Samantha talks about but Chatham Park so far refuses to guarantee.document.getElementById("post-15380-blankimage").onload();
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:44:05 -0500
From: Lynn Zempel
Subject: Chatham Park Comparisons
Because we live in Fearrington, we have stayed out of Chatham Park debate. But for those who point to the failures of Columbia, MD, I suggest a trip around the Washington Beltway to Reston, VA.
Reston has thrived, with housing, businesses, good restaurants, etc. The town center has been updated with many stores, and close-by attractions, including a multiplex.
Before we decided on Fearrington, we looked seriously at a townhouse in that neighborhood. Chatham Park could work, and as I think development along 64 is inevitable, you may be trading a planned community for a scattering of various developers’ ticky-tackys.
I can also see a artsy, artisan, laid-back Pittsboro as a draw for people from Chatham Park.
Okay, I’ve said all I intend to say, and y’all can go back to name-calling, etc.document.getElementById("post-15378-blankimage").onload();
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:43:29 -0500
From: “Michael Kirkman”
Subject: Chatham Park again
Chatham Chatlist #4885
My last comment on this discussion would be that based on moving here in the early 90′s and growing up in a small town in NW NC and living in and around Raleigh and watching Cary go from 2000 people to what is is today, - I love Pittsboro just like I love Mt. Airy. BUT that doesn’t mean that we can’t move ahead. Do we want to stand still like my home town has and watch all of the textile and furniture jobs disappear so that we can work at WalMart or do we want to embrace the future? It should be planned out and done to ensure that all of the environmental problems are minimized.
The only problem is planning and doing it right. Good golly I am a progressive soul ( call me liberal if you want to) and this is a clear matter of don’t let the developer get rich at our expense. Progress marches on and we can’t stop it.
Can we trust Pittsboro to do it right? I hope so for my children’s sake.document.getElementById("post-15374-blankimage").onload();
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:07:29 -0500
From: “Mike Watkins”
Subject: Re: Lawrence Group finds Pittsboro Matters making false claims
A recent post asserted that The Lawrence Group indicated Pittsboro Matters was making false claims about proposed population densities of Chatham Park in comparing it to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Actually, there is nothing false about Pittsboro Matters claims on proposed Chatham Park population density.
Although I am a member of Pittsboro Matters, I write here for myself.
I also wrote the Pittsboro Matters website article referred to in that post and I continue to stand by it. (http://pittsboromatters.org/more/preserving-the-character-of-pittsboro/ ).
It is simple math and the math is irrefutable.
Maximum potential build out in the Chatham Park PDD Master Plan is 27,970 homes on 7,022.2 acres (see â€œLand Use Summary Tableâ€ )
Using Chatham Parkâ€™s own statistics for population/home (2.5) that equates to 69,925 people in 10.97 square miles (1 sq. mile = 640 acres), an average of 6,374 people per square mile.
According to 2012 US Census data, the population of Pittsburgh, PA is 306,211 on a land area of 58.3 sq. miles, Thatâ€™s an average of 5,252 people per sq. mile.
Baltimoreâ€™s population is 621,342 in a land area of 92.05 sq. miles.. Thatâ€™s an average of 6,750 people per sq. mile.
So, how can it be false to say the proposed population density of Chatham Park fits somewhere between Pittsburgh, PA and Baltimore, MD?
Since I consider the entire Lawrence Group report to be an outstanding piece of work, I was naturally irked that it should assert my numbers were wrong. In email follow up with the lead consultant, however, we have since determined these numbers to be accurate.
That said, they do not agree this is a valid way to compare a potential development. They prefer to use development density versus people density as a measure and, in that context, and given the variety of development forms in the 92 sq. miles of Baltimore it is impossible to compare on an â€œapples to applesâ€ basis. Their approach is to compare to individual developments around the state such as Southern Village (312 acres) or Meadowmont (435 acres) in Chapel Hill. They are the experts while I clearly am not. My goal was simply to offer another illustration of the magnitude of this proposal (see also Chatham Park: The view from 50,000 ft at http://pittsboromatters.org/factorfiction/chatham-park-the-view-from-50000-feet/ ) and to again pose the question of how the character of Pittsboro could possibly be preserved.
Nevertheless, my feeling is that any method of comparison has the potential to be misleading. At over 7,000 acres, there has never been anything in North Carolina remotely comparable to Chatham Park. Different pieces of it may compare with surrounding developments but nothing in this state comes close to the overall project. Reston, VA is probably the most appropriate comparison, across multiple dimensions. Looking at the way that project turned out, however, I am sure no one would wish to hold it up as a model for us..
400 Prince Creek, Pittsboro, NC 27312 (USA)document.getElementById("post-15370-blankimage").onload();
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:09:29 -0500
From: Tom West
Subject: Lawrence Group finds Pittsboro Matters making false claims
The small imaginary Pittsboro Matters group states on their web page that “Chatham Park fits somewhere between Pittsburgh, PA and Baltimore, MD.”
It appears that this was another false claim by Pittsboro Matters. In response to question 7 of the report, the Lawrence group choose to “respectfully disagree” (a polite way of saying that Pittsboro Matters lied)
From the full report at http://pittsboronc.gov/vertical/sites/%7B512CE168-4684-4855-9CD9-7D209FE775E3%7D/uploads/Lawrence_Group_Analysis__Recommendation%281%29.pdf
See item below.
7. We had some citizen input [Pittsboro Matters] suggesting that the densities proposed by Preston Development are higher than what is currently found in major metropolitan areas though out the entire 7,100 acres. I sincerely hope that this is not true and that this type of density, to the extent that it will occur at all, will only be in the five activity centers. We need some analysis from the consultant to debunk this notion if it is erroneous. If it is not erroneous, that could be a show stopper.
*LG Response:* *We have also read suggestions by interested parties that the development rivals the population density of the city of Baltimore (across its 92 square miles). We respectfully disagree and would suggest that it’s not an apples to apples comparison.
The overall gross residential density proposed by the applicant is 22,000 dwelling units across 7,120 acres (-11 square miles). As a gross density, this equates to slightly over 3 units per acre.Most of suburban Wake County and Mecklenburg County are zoned and built at this same density.
Southern Village in Chapel Hill is comprised of 1150 residential units across 312 acres for a gross density of 3.68 units/acre. Some portions of Southern Village peak at 8 units/acre whereas other areas hover below 2 units/acre.
Meadowmont, also in Chapel Hill, is permitted for up to 1298 units across 435 acres for a gross density of 2.98 units per acre.However, the 22 million square feet of non-residential space requested is another matter.
To put this in perspective I have listed other large commercial development typologies:
* Regional Mall (e.g., Streets at Southpoint in Durham): –1.33 million square feet on 125 acres
* PNC Plaza Building in downtown Raleigh: 730,000 square feet
* Raleigh Convention Center: 500,000 square feet* Target General Merchandise Store: 126,000 square feet
* SuperTarget: 174,000 square feet
* SAS Building P (approved in 2013): 244,000 square feet
Coincidentally, Research Triangle Park covers approximately 7,000 acres and is comprised of 22,500,000 square feet of built space. Conversely, Center City Charlotte has approximately 18.4 million square feet of office space within its 2 square mile boundary in addition to its 15,000 residents, convention center, museums, churches, shops, and other amenities. All we can assume is that the applicant is seeking to keep flexibility to develop under two different models — the Research Triangle Campus model or the mixed-use community model.
If Pittsboro Matters has chosen to fib about this, what other false claims have they made up?
BTW, since the leadership of Pittsboro Matters has a tendency to delete their pages once they are caught in a lie I have downloaded a copy of the page for future referencedocument.getElementById("post-15362-blankimage").onload();
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:40 +0000
Subject: Pittsboro Matters has pretty much admitted defeat
From Thursday’s Chatlist, it appears that everyone’s favorite liberal and Pittsboro Matters supporter has tossed in the Green towel.
She certain sounds frustrated. Sheesh!
Pittsboro Matters are Dividers NOT Uniters.
She never heard of anything so silly? Really? Short memory? How quickly she forgets the Chatham Coalition YELLOW.
Wear GREEN and celebrate Growth in Chatham County!
Pittsboro Matters people can rewear their yellow Chatham Coalition hate group t-shirts.
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:40:04 -0500
From: Kira Dirlik
Subject: Let’s ALL wear Green
On Feb 19 Donna wrote:
> On February 24 …. Pittsboro Town Commissioners meeting….at the
> Historical Courthouse starting at 7:00 p.m., the Lawrence Group,
> which was hired by the town, will be presenting their findings of
> their study. ….
> Everyone who has an opinion about Chatham Park should be there.
> I’m thinking those of us who would like to move forward with Chatham
> Park should wear green to represent the GO-group to move forward
> wisely, using all the powers that the town possesses to be sure this
> park is the best of the best……..
I suggest that EVERYONE wear green, since green also represents the
goals of those who want to go slow, build as needed, preserve the
green, and generally are green on other issues, etc etc., (not to
mention things we all have in common with Donna’s list). Sheesh all
we need is gang colors. Aren’t we divided enough? I never heard of
anything so silly. Yes, let’s everyone who attends that meeting
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:16:024 -0500
From: Tom West
Subject: Fisking Pittsboro Matters: Let’s take a look at Columbia vs Chatham Park
This morning Leela Ellis told us about how the community of Columbia was a failure.
Here’s a look at Columia, Maryland via Wikipedia. You can read the entire wiki page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_Maryland
Columbia is a planned community comprising 10 self-contained villages, located in Howard County, Maryland, United States. It began with the idea that a city could enhance its residents’ quality of life. Creator and developer James W. Rouse saw the new community in terms of human values, rather than merely economics and engineering. Opened in 1967, Columbia was intended to not only eliminate the inconveniences of then-current subdivision design, but also eliminate racial, religious, and class segregation.
CRD accumulated 14,178 acres (57.38 km2), 10 percent of Howard County (located between Baltimore and Washington), from 140 separate owners.
Chatham Park is 7,000 cares and accounts for less than 2 percent of Chatham County
The urban planning process for Columbia included not only planners, but also a convened panel of nationally recognized experts in the social sciences, known as the Work Group. Meeting for two days, twice a month, for half a year, the Work Group suggested innovations for planners in education, recreation, religion, and health care, as well as ways of improving social interactions
The original plan, following the neighborhood concept of Clarence Perry, would have had all the children of a neighborhood attend the same school, melding neighborhoods into a community and ensuring that all of Columbia’s children get the same high-quality education.
In 2006, Money magazine ranked Columbia (together with Ellicott City , its neighbor to the north) #4 out of the 100 “Best Places to Live” in the United States. In 2008, Columbia and Ellicott City were ranked #8 on this list. In 2010, Columbia and Ellicott City were ranked #2 on this list. In 2012, Columbia and Ellicott City were ranked #8 on this list.
The U.S. federal government is the source of many jobs for Columbians. Several large U.S. Department of Defense installations and R&D facilities surround Columbia, the largest being the National Security Agency at Fort George G. Meade , and the Applied Physics Laboratory , both pre-dating the establishment of Columbia. Companies which have had research facilities in the area include W.R. Grace and Company and Westvaco. Further afield, many Columbians commute to government and government contractor jobs in the Baltimore and Washington, D.C. area.
Companies based in Columbia include W.R. Grace and Company , Sourcefire , PetMeds , MICROS Systems , Integral Systems , Corporate Office Properties Trust and the consumer research company Arbitron.
Population by Race in Columbia MD (2010) – White 55%, Black 25%, Asian 11%, Hispanic 7% Other 2%
As of the census of 2000, there were 88,254 people, 34,199 households, and 23,118 families residing in the CDP. The population density was 3,202.0 people per square mile (1,236.4/km²). There were 35,281 housing units at an average density of 1,280.0 per square mile (494.3/km²). The racial makeup of the CDP was 66.52% White , 21.47% Black, 0.26% Native American, 7.30% Asian, 1.63% from other races, and 2.76% from two or more races. 4.12% of the population were Hispanic of any race. 2010 census had 99,615 people.
There were 34,199 households out of which 35.9% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 53.4% were married couples living together, 11.2% had a female householder with no husband present, and 32.4% were non-families. 25.6% of all households were made up of individuals and 5.1% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.54 and the average family size was 3.09.
In the CDP the population was spread out with 26.3% under the age of 18, 6.7% from 18 to 24, 34.1% from 25 to 44, 25.5% from 45 to 64, and 7.5% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 36 years. For every 100 females there were 93.1 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 88.7 males.
According to a 2007 estimate, the median income for a household in the CDP was $94,966, and the median income for a family was $107,210. About 3.4% of families and 5.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 5.7% of those under age 18 and 11.0% of those age 65 or over.
Leela Ellis mentions that a “med-tech told me that she had moved from a place called Columbia so that she could give her children a safe place to grow and go to school.” Ellis failed to mention if this place called Columbia was located in South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee or Maryland.
BTW, It is extremely sad to see that Leela Ellis chose to use the unfortunate murder of two people that recently took place in Columbia to push a political agenda. I will address this issue in a separate email.document.getElementById("post-15318-blankimage").onload();
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:58:20 -0500
From: Gene Galin
Subject: Last Week’s Hottest Bulletin Board Topics
1. Jan Nichols, Coalition Tactics Again (Read 2236 times) at
2. Chatham Chatlist Anonymous Obsessions (Read 1899 times) at
3. Chatham Coalition hate group selects candidate to run against Brian Bock (Read 1777 times) at
4. It’s very clear that Pittsboro Matters lacks popular support in Chatham County (Read 1377 times) at
5. Seeking Candidates to fill Commissioner Kost’s vacant seat (Read 981 times) at
6. Chatham Chatlist Flame Wars (Read 765 times) at
7. Brian King of Pittsboro Pulls a City Bus Full of People with his Pick Up Truck (Read 741 times) at
8. Bock, Petty and Stewart file for re-election. (Read 653 times) at
9. Fisking Pittsboro Matters hatred of Chatham Park (Read 637 times) at
10. Missing child found safe in Chatham County (Read 580 times) at
11. “Account is Suspended” (Read 538 times) at
12. break in and entering (Read 531 times) at
13. Lucier vs the Chatham BOC (Read 505 times) at
14. Propane price gouging? (Read 357 times) at
15. William Darryl Martin of Siler City was killed in an accident in Raleigh (Read 333 times) at
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:29:21 -0500
From: Sue Merris
Subject: voles and moles
I am having a BIG problem with these little critters. Went out this week to pluck some carrots out of the ground and found that they had burrowed down and made a tunnel the entire length of the row and ate every last one of them. Ooh I was MAD. Last year I tried lining the rows with some small gravel before planting and that didn’t seem to work. I bought a product at SS in Carrboro that is supposed to run them off by the smell. And is guaranteed non toxic and organic. Any more suggestions.
I am considering building new beds and lining them with wire. How’s that sound? But they seem to come in from the top as I see the holes so am not sure that would work. I am stumped. Maybe a good outside cat that’s a mouser? Where can I find one?
Help! and Thanks,
****************************************************************** Sue -Al Cooke should be able to provide you with some good information.
Here’s a link to some previous Chatlist posts about voles -
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:43:03 -0500
From: “N.A. Booko”
Subject: Help me identify suspicious trespasser . .
Sat. about 1:45 pm, I noticed a small black car slow down and pull to the side of highway 64, eastbound, near my driveway on hyway 64. The driver got out, appeared to be looking for something on the side of the road, but when there was no traffic, he dashed into my driveway, followed it around behind a building and disappeared. When we finally saw where he was, he was taking pictures of our buildings and vehicles. When asked what he was doing, he replied “I just like old buildings.” He was told to leave. When he was near his car, I started writing down his license number. He became enraged and made nasty remarks about my advanced age and (not that he really knew anything) about our living conditions.
The car was a small black sleek sporty car (too small for the driver)- NC License plate (I think) SXR8473. If not that it may be SXB8473. The drive was male, 45-55. Tall, stout, pudgy face and thinning light brownish hair. Dark colored jogging type knitted shirt and pants.
I know he was up to no-good. I am unable to trace that lic number. Someone out there can do it and help me out. I need to know who this person is and what he are up to. Thanks for your help. Who knows? You might be next.
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:54:23 -0500
From: Marsha Derynck
Subject: Chatham Park
If you are not a Chatham County native, why did you move here? If you are a Chatham County native, why do you stay? Isn’t it the ambiance, the room-to-breathe, the lack of traffic, the small town atmosphere? Then why do you want a huge development that will change that all? I, for the life of me, can’t understand it.
If you want more people and more traffic, etc., why are you here? Why didn’t you move to Cary or North Raleigh or places that you are more compatible with? Why do you want to impose your desire to live in an urban
atmosphere on those of us who enjoy Chatham County the way it is. Yes, progress comes, but it comes slowly. This Chatham Park rapidly is going to change a lot of the reasons many of us are here.
I am sorry that Donna’s restaurant doesn’t have as many patrons as she expected. I love Bella Donna and eat there frequently. But I do think it is very short sighted of her to be pushing this new city in Chatham. Why should her desire for success in her business have to impinge on my and my neighbors’ lifestyles? I don’t want to say “I told you so” 10 or 15 years down the line when Chatham County blends into Cary and we have that cookie cutter suburban feel and all the character of Chatham county is lost. Her restaurant may or may not enjoy more patrons, but our small town and way of life will not be the same. I have lived in Cary and did not like it. It makes me sad that so many people, for self-stated self-serving reasons want to force their desired way of life on others. It is just sad.
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:13:12 -0500
From: Gene Galin
Subject: Lawrence Group’s report on Chatham Park is now available online
If you have some free time on Sunday afternoon, you might want to take a look at the Lawrence Group’s report on Chatham Park at
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 00:42:56 -0500
From: Kim Ringeisen
Subject: In_response_to_private_property_owners_rights? A_few_questions?
First, zoning regulations have existed since the 1920′s, as has been the acquisition of undeveloped land for the purpose of development and resale, nothing new here. We have been told what we can or cannot do with our lands for quite some time now. One can read about the case of Euclid v. Amber where the Supreme Court upheld a zoning decision that was thought illegal (I believe many people learn about this case in college). Zoning in the US has it’s criticism and has had it’s share of class or income segregation or better stated as exclusionary zoning, e.g., increasing land values or use densities through zoning regulation, that result in the lower income groups becoming forced out/away. Zoning is here to stay, no going back to pre-1920s staking your claim.
Now, I would argue a corporation that purchases land with the intent to develop and resell or lease it, is not the same as a family who has purchased land with a home to raise their family in. I would only see one of these as a private owner of the land, the other a corporate owner. Granted some families place land holdings in corporate trusts, but for simplicity sake, let’s not factor them into the discussion at this point.
Again, as I posted previously the essence of rezoning cases puts private, non-corproate land owners at a huge disadvantage, since most homeowners are not experts at the legislative process that surrounds zoning and most do not want to or cannot spend $200-$500 a hour for an attorney to represent their concerns or requests. On the other hand, corporate land owners typically will have attorneys and other experts being paid to handle the zoning or rezoning process, these paid resources could speak in favor of or opposition to requests, or provide supporting data for zoning considerations at planning meetings. I would also categorize mom-pop businesses who want to use their land or home to earn a living or supplement their income differently from the corporate land owners, since the mom-pop shops typically are putting their private money into getting their business started, not navigating a planning or rezoning meeting in their limited free time.
Now, let’s get back to the core issues with regards to Chatham Park. As it has been stated that this would be the largest development of it’s kind, as such it would be expected to be operating in uncharted waters for many of the legislative considerations being asked. Trailblazing is fine, it’s exciting… however when done at the level highlighted and with an existing population base where the majority of the land is the largest remaining contiguous natural area in the county, it should be afforded the proper oversight and review. We should expect healthy debate and clarity – not silence or obscurity. I am a pro-Chatham Park, but I am also Pro-having a voice in matters that affect where I live and raise a family or start a business. Jordan lake is already very busy in the summer with boat traffic, how will it look with a new city on it’s banks? How many more boat storage sites will be developed as a result around the lake? I had a few questions that some on the chatlist might be able to answer for me;
1. Of all the developments that were approved in Chatham county since 2005, how many have met their phasing and development plans as approved by the BOC? How many are behind on the approved plan? What is the total available approved housing availability of these developments? What impact will Chatham Park have on the current developments? A quick check back to 2005, shows that around 468 rezoning cases had decisions by the BOC, 452 were approved in some form or another, 4 withdrew and 12 were denied. (I can send you the xls if interested). That’s an approval rate of around 97% in Chatham county since 2005. Of the ~97% approved, what is the % of completion to the plan?
2. Given the scale of the program, what is being done to ensure this does not become a case of spot zoning or even a new classification of spot zoning given the scale of the project? Generally, spot zoning is an “upzoning” of property to a more intensive use than before, with the effect of allowing development inconsistent with the surrounding area and transferring benefit to the property owner to the detriment of others. (Mandelker, section 6.28) . ” A zoning’s reasonableness is fairly debated in this circumstance, and can be construed unreasonable by a court, especially where a comprehensive plan provides little or no guidance on the rezoning”. (Tennessee Planning Commissioner Training Handbook: a closer look at zoning pg8). The later part is concerning, since as I understand there exists no guidance in the current comprehensive plan for something of this magnitude.
3. Why are Triangle Land Conservancy’s recommendations not part of the overall plan?
4. What impact will the Chatham-Randolph Megasite and the continued expansion of RTP along the 540 coordior have on Chatham Park?
5. What is the current housing demand forecast based on the current Chatham county master development and land use plan?
6. Could Chatham County create a college fund for children of chatham county based on the new revenue base?
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:17:43 -0500
From: Taylor Kish
Subject: Lynch mobs pull together, too
Property owner, Gil McNeil, opines when a group with enough support pulls together they might win.
Here is my real question. . .
What is Chatham Park proposing that existing laws, rules, and ordinances are insufficient?
Are the leaders of Pittsboro Matters saying YOU are better and more qualified to regulate Chatham Park than Chatham County Manager Charlie Horne and his county supervisors and staff that were ALL installed by coalition democrats BEFORE 2011?
If the federal government proposed Chatham Park as an enterprise zone to promote fairness with minorities, PittsoborMatters would not have formed with a list of demands. BUT especially because it is being built by a supposedly unprotected “rich white guy”, PM feels like they can demand EXTRA concessions outside existing laws, rules, and ordinances.
“Lawful” means according to the U.S. Constitution and our basis for our laws. When something is done outside of our constitution, it is lawless. When laws are ignored, THAT is lawless. Just because a group wants something, does not mean it is lawful.
What if someone forms a group to pass a law requiring everyone to buy a firearm? What if someone forms a group to require students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance before classes each day? What if a law is passed saying you may only have two children? What if a law is passed that everyone must take and pass a test on the U.S. Constitution before voting? What if all candidates for public office and employment had to pass a proficiency test on the U.S. Constitution?
Mr. McNeil, when you promote the increase of government power, you reduce individual liberty. It will only be a matter of time before government regulators come for your neighbor’s home-based construction business, landscape business, or woodworking business and demand you meet all the same laws, rules, and ordinances of similar businesses.
I can’t describe my surprise when I found a leader of PittsboroMatters is a developer of luxurious subdivisions and yet promotes EXTRA burdens on OTHER developers. So MANY PittsboroMatters leaders have such apparently HUGE conflicts of interests it makes me wonder what is their REAL motivation?document.getElementById("post-15341-blankimage").onload();
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:49:30 -0500
From: “Michael Kirkman”
Subject: Property Rights
Chatham Chatlist #4881 This is big issue with many of us. If you do not live in Pittsboro (or Siler City or other) but within two miles of city limit, you are subject to Pboro zoning rules. You cannot vote for these officials and if you want to change your zoning you are at a disadvantage. I can’t foresee the future but if Chatham Park becomes a realty I only see this becoming a lot more complicated for the “small guys” .
Pertaining to no trespassing. There is definitely a problem with law enforcement. This is especially true concerning wildlife officials. It could be a lack of manpower or management. All I know is if you complain about trespassers, poachers, etc., you are lucky if anything is done.
It is probably a budget problem. That is a problem in it’s self.document.getElementById("post-15333-blankimage").onload();
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:51:55 -0500
From: Tanja Lipinski Cole
Subject: Passing the torch on a very cool project for the homeless. Who wants it?
We are looking for a new home for our school’s Sleeping Bag Project (making homemade sleeping bags for the homeless out of donated/recycled materials). The 5th-8th graders at Silk Hope Elementary have been doing it at our school in their art classes for the last month or so and have completed around 10-20 bags, but due to curriculum needs they must move on to another school project.
We have leftover supplies and a willingness to teach what we learned to another school or organization. If you are a local school, art class, girl or boy scouts, 4H’er, craft group, etc and can tie a knot, we can show you how to make these very easy-to-make sleeping bags. Several local churches, shelters, and organizations are already asking for them. You can help do good with a little time and love invested. We’ll be ready to pass the torch at the end of this month. Who wants a very cool and unique project to carry on? We’d be happy to share…
Apparently the mud-slinging target of choice is the Pittsboro Matters people and not the evil Chatham Coalition
ate: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:36:14 -0500
From: Karen Crowell
Subject: let the mud-slinging begin!
Well, no wonder Chathammatters is channeling his/her/its anonymous self. It’s the start of political campaigning season! He/she/it must be warming up for the mud-slinging! And we certainly can’t be honest about who we are if we want people to vote for us!
Apparently the mud-slinging target of choice is the Pittsboro Matters people – not the evil Coalition who used to take the heat for the Democrats – but they might as well be, because they are being referred to over and over again as if they were one and the same.
If you repeat something often enough, people will actually believe it. Just ask Bush how he got everybody to think that Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction”. Or ask Fox News how they got everybody to think Obama wasn’t really a U.S. citizen. Or ask the oil companies how they got everybody to think “climate change” was just a hoax. Makes you wonder, why go to so much trouble? Clearly something serious was – and in some cases still is, at stake: A) political parties, B) corporations, or C) nations who stand to lose a lot of a) money, (b) power, or c) all of the above.
Things aren’t quite so bad here in Chatham County. If we’re being misled by Chathammatters, it probably isn’t going to do us a whole lot of harm. Mind you, if we were talking about coal ash in our drinking water, then that’s a whole different story. But let’s not go there. Plenty of time to address that subject in thenext go round.
I was merely pointing out the timeliness of Chathammatters’ attempt to have us all swivel our attention backwards in time and consider how much worse off we all were when someone else was running the show. It just
seems a little pathetic to me. If you can’t rely on your own record to convince people to vote for you, you have to look around and find someone else to bad-mouth instead. Certainly not anything new in the game of politics.
But it would behoove all of us to leave the mud-slinging to the pigs and focus on the Future. It will be here before we know it. Let’s decide what we want it to be and move in that direction!
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:59:14 -0500
From: Willow Oak Montessori
Subject: Willow Oak Montessori Children’s House Accepting Applications for 2014-2015 School Year
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:11:34 -0500
From: Maggie Zwilling
Subject: CCCC Continuing Education March Classes
Due to the inclement weather we have re-scheduled two of our classes.
Natural Landscape Specialist Natural Landscape Specialist: Students will learn plant selection and installation, irrigation and maintenance requirements, all with a goal of using appropriate materials for our area in a natural and sustainable manner. Students will also learn to evaluate a property as a site landscape or garden use. At the completion of this course, students will be able to render landscape services for those seeking a specialist in sustainable and natural landscaping A certificate will be awarded to those completing the course.
Date: Monday,3.10.-5.5.14; Time: 9:00A-12:00P; Cost: $71.25; Location: PMC; Instructor: Andy Upshaw
Unforgettable Children’s Books: Memorable characters are at the heart of great children’s literature. In this course, writers will learn techniques and approaches to deepen the characters of their stories, to uncover motivations that will resonate with young readers, and to create powerful transformations. Students will look at examples of unforgettable characters from children’s literature and have opportunities to make their own characters even stronger through interactive exercises and instructor feedback. Visit John’s website to learn more about his awards and published books www.johnclaudebemis.com.
Date: 3.22.14; Time: 10:00A-4:00P; Cost: $51.25; Location: PMC; Instructor: John Bemis
Space is still available for these two classes.
The Book of Your Heart: Strategies for Writing a Novel: This course will review basic skills that fiction writers need to master when preparing a manuscript for submission. These include plot and character development, point of view, dialogue issues, genre expectations as well as how to write query letters, synopses and submit manuscripts to agents and editors. How to critique your own work and that of others is also featured.
Dates: 3.4.14-4.22.14; Time: 6:30P-9:00P; Cost: $126.25; Location: PMC; Instructor: Judith Stanton
Birds and Their Habitats: It’s getting warmer and birds are everywhere. Join us for this fun class where you will learn to identify local birds and become familiar with the trees, shrubs, and various plants they use. This knowledge will aid in the selection of plant material for use in sustainable integrated pest management program, for use in natural landscape or to attractive specific birds. Classwork will complement field work.
Dates: 3.4.-4.22.14; Time: 9:00P-12:00P; Cost: $101.25; Location: PMC; Instructor: Andy Upshaw
Canine Good Citizen (CGC): This class will prepare students and their dogs to take the American Kennel Club’s Canine Good Citizens Test (to be given during the last class). AKC’s CGC is a two-part program that stresses responsible pet ownership for owners and basic good manners for dogs. All dogs must pass the 10-step CGC test to receive a certificate from the American Kennel Club. This is the first step towards becoming therapy dogs.
Dates: 3.14.14-5.2.14; Time: 4:30P-6:00P; Cost: $76.25; Location PMC; Instructor: Pat Sullivan
To register for any of our Continuing Education classes, please call 919.545.8044
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CCCC, Pittsboro Campus